Thank you Mike for this investigative report. Like a good investigative reporter, you've gone the extra mile to check several sources, point out the inconsistencies and then come up with a credible conclusion.
Hi Mr Lewis. The process you’ve gone through for this topic has got to be one of the most frustrating things you’ve had to do, but like the other commenters, I also appreciate it very much. Many of us would love to ignore books like Fr Murr’s or documentaries like Mass of the Ages, but due to who family or friends are, we can’t. But many of us also do not have the time or ability to go down the rabbit-hole of research needed for a true rebuttal. Fr Murr’s book had quite a bit to question and criticize on its own, but articles like what you’ve written here on substack give a lot more factors to bring to conversations.
False or distorted accounts involving Popes and the Vatican tend to have certain features: conspiracy theories (freemasons modernists, etc.), highly subjective descriptions (various persons' moods, motivations, plans, etc.), an axe to grind, conjecture, sensationalism, unprovable alleged facts and accusations. And Fr. Muir's account has all these features.
Here's the thing with conspiracy theorists like Fr Murr, Bishop Strickland & excommunicated Archbishop Vigano - they actually believe the nonsense they spew, & like all conspiracy theories, there might therein be a kernel of truth .
Was Cardinal Gagnon's report on the entire Roman Catholic Curia, delivered to Pope Paul VI near his death (he said "next pope") ever released to the public or at least Catholic authors?
You're wrong. Listen to Fr. Charles Murr, who was Gagnon's friend, and who tells the story of how Gagnon spent 3 years investigating the Masons infiltration of the RCC in the Vatican. Or read Taylor Marshall's book on the infiltration.
I read his book and then I spent weeks trying to substantiate his claims. I spoke to longtime Vatican journalists, a Paul VI biographer in Rome, old French Canadian Catholic priests, and many others. I was forced to conclude that it was a made up story described by Alice Von Hildebrand in a 2001 article and Murr picked it up.
You're wrong, I think. Murr lived with Gagnon for 3 years (and others, I want to say in Beirut, but that I could be confused on) while Gagnon was working on the report. Gagnon was devastated when it was ignored by Paul VI and even JPII only wanted to interview Gagnon about the report after he was shot. May I propose you WRITE Fr. Murr directly or contact Murr through Ubi and Orbi (youtube channel, attached) where Fr. Murr is the constant guest. The host of Ubi and Orbi youtube channel also knows all about the Gagnon massive effort and report, which was ignored. Not clear what happened to the report. Probably buried in some Vatican archive never to see the light of day.
Murr is a con artist. He's been out of ministry for 20 years and should not be presenting himself as a priest. There's no evidence for anything he claims about this supposed visitation.
Murr was there in the days leading up to the popes death and in close communication with people who were with Jon Paul. The other sources are far removed and largely full of info supplied by the Vatican press office.
Nice work Mike. Sadly, the obsession certain Catholics have with Freemasonry is linked to the original conspiracy theory, namely, anti Semitism.
Thank you Mike for this investigative report. Like a good investigative reporter, you've gone the extra mile to check several sources, point out the inconsistencies and then come up with a credible conclusion.
Hi Mr Lewis. The process you’ve gone through for this topic has got to be one of the most frustrating things you’ve had to do, but like the other commenters, I also appreciate it very much. Many of us would love to ignore books like Fr Murr’s or documentaries like Mass of the Ages, but due to who family or friends are, we can’t. But many of us also do not have the time or ability to go down the rabbit-hole of research needed for a true rebuttal. Fr Murr’s book had quite a bit to question and criticize on its own, but articles like what you’ve written here on substack give a lot more factors to bring to conversations.
Thank you!
Thanks for the good work you are doing with this. The Pope ought to knight you or something. God bless!
Thank you once again for all your hard work in uncovering as much as we can know about the situation.
Excellent work Mr Lewis.
False or distorted accounts involving Popes and the Vatican tend to have certain features: conspiracy theories (freemasons modernists, etc.), highly subjective descriptions (various persons' moods, motivations, plans, etc.), an axe to grind, conjecture, sensationalism, unprovable alleged facts and accusations. And Fr. Muir's account has all these features.
I honestly think Fr. Murr likely believes much of what he is saying, but others are quick to use him, and I'm sure he enjoys the attention.
Here's the thing with conspiracy theorists like Fr Murr, Bishop Strickland & excommunicated Archbishop Vigano - they actually believe the nonsense they spew, & like all conspiracy theories, there might therein be a kernel of truth .
Was Cardinal Gagnon's report on the entire Roman Catholic Curia, delivered to Pope Paul VI near his death (he said "next pope") ever released to the public or at least Catholic authors?
I suspect there was no such visitation or report.
You're wrong. Listen to Fr. Charles Murr, who was Gagnon's friend, and who tells the story of how Gagnon spent 3 years investigating the Masons infiltration of the RCC in the Vatican. Or read Taylor Marshall's book on the infiltration.
I read his book and then I spent weeks trying to substantiate his claims. I spoke to longtime Vatican journalists, a Paul VI biographer in Rome, old French Canadian Catholic priests, and many others. I was forced to conclude that it was a made up story described by Alice Von Hildebrand in a 2001 article and Murr picked it up.
You're wrong, I think. Murr lived with Gagnon for 3 years (and others, I want to say in Beirut, but that I could be confused on) while Gagnon was working on the report. Gagnon was devastated when it was ignored by Paul VI and even JPII only wanted to interview Gagnon about the report after he was shot. May I propose you WRITE Fr. Murr directly or contact Murr through Ubi and Orbi (youtube channel, attached) where Fr. Murr is the constant guest. The host of Ubi and Orbi youtube channel also knows all about the Gagnon massive effort and report, which was ignored. Not clear what happened to the report. Probably buried in some Vatican archive never to see the light of day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOUVLd6gwNQ
Murr is a con artist. He's been out of ministry for 20 years and should not be presenting himself as a priest. There's no evidence for anything he claims about this supposed visitation.
I don't agree with you. He's a wonderful priest. I like him. I'm a devoit Catholic, so you're not convincing me.
Murr was there in the days leading up to the popes death and in close communication with people who were with Jon Paul. The other sources are far removed and largely full of info supplied by the Vatican press office.
Most of the people close to it are dead.